So I guess Zelda is dead

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Astylez 13 hours ago#1

Everyone ate up BotW, despite the fact it is nothing like the old games, had a s***ty weapon system, an “open world” that was a slog to move around in... so now for true fans the series is dead. Nintendo is gonna stick to this new formula and probably pull even further away from what Zelda is.

Now we just have ports/remasters of old titles to wait on if we want to scratch that Zelda itch. Bash me bros, but someone had to say it.

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Rustykranz 13 hours ago#2

tldr

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Thrasher7170 12 hours ago#3

It’s always a shame when older accounts turn to trolling.....

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bluebeans 9 hours ago#4

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WingZero0782 8 hours ago#5

Astylez posted...

Everyone ate up BotW, despite the fact it is nothing like the old games, had a s***ty weapon system, an “open world” that was a slog to move around in... so now for true fans the series is dead. Nintendo is gonna stick to this new formula and probably pull even further away from what Zelda is.Now we just have ports/remasters of old titles to wait on if we want to scratch that Zelda itch. Bash me bros, but someone had to say it.

Remakes are better than nothing I suppose.

Also let's see what BOTW2 is like first.

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Timinatron 6 hours ago#6

Astylez posted...

Everyone ate up BotW, despite the fact it is nothing like the old games, had a s***ty weapon system, an “open world” that was a slog to move around in... so now for true fans the series is dead. Nintendo is gonna stick to this new formula and probably pull even further away from what Zelda is.Now we just have ports/remasters of old titles to wait on if we want to scratch that Zelda itch. Bash me bros, but someone had to say it.

People have been crying the same sob story since launch. So no, you aren’t special.

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CarbonButtflap 4 hours ago#8

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CarbonButtflap posted...

Posting in a no true Scotsman whine thread

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WingZero0782 3 hours ago#10

Unfortunately Open World games are the in thing and they've already ruined series like MGS and Assassin's Creed imo.

Open World games are just as big (if not bigger) than Battle Royale games which are also Open World games in a way, so you're gonna get a lot of copy/pasted franchises captilizing on the craze.

Heck even the latest Gears of War couldn't get away from it and added two lame acts with bland open world segments.

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Thrasher7170 3 hours ago#11

WingZero0782 posted...

Unfortunately Open World games are the in thing and they've already ruined series like MGS and Assassin's Creed imo.Open World games are just as big (if not bigger) than Battle Royale games which are also Open World games in a way, so you're gonna get a lot of copy/pasted franchises captilizing on the craze.Heck even the latest Gears of War couldn't get away from it and added two lame acts with bland open world segments.

Ah yes, the “in” thing that’s been around since literally the creation of video games, and has been a part of the Zelda series since the start.

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Forest_Temple 3 hours ago#12

Thrasher7170 posted...

WingZero0782 posted...
Unfortunately Open World games are the in thing and they've already ruined series like MGS and Assassin's Creed imo.Open World games are just as big (if not bigger) than Battle Royale games which are also Open World games in a way, so you're gonna get a lot of copy/pasted franchises captilizing on the craze.Heck even the latest Gears of War couldn't get away from it and added two lame acts with bland open world segments.
Ah yes, the “in” thing that’s been around since literally the creation of video games, and has been a part of the Zelda series since the start.

It wasn't an in thing then. And Zelda 1 is literally the only game in the series besides BOTW thats open world.

Edit: ALBW is kinda open world too I guess

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Forest_Temple 3 hours ago#13

I understand both sides of this arguemwnt. Im not one of those people that think BOTW isnt a Zelda game, but at the same time I dont want all classical elements of the series to just be gone.

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WingZero0782 3 hours ago#14

Forest_Temple posted...

It wasn't an in thing then. And Zelda 1 is literally the only game in the series besides BOTW thats open world. Edit: ALBW is kinda open world too I guess

What a load of bulls*** and you know it, open world games as they are now didn't start until last gen and are a lot more used this gen.

Name some "in thing" games that were around since the creation of video games?

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Forest_Temple 3 hours ago#15

WingZero0782 posted...

Forest_Temple posted...
It wasn't an in thing then. And Zelda 1 is literally the only game in the series besides BOTW thats open world. Edit: ALBW is kinda open world too I guess
What a load of bulls*** and you know it, open world games as they are now didn't start until last gen and are a lot more used this gen.

Huh???

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Thrasher7170 3 hours ago#16

Forest_Temple posted...

WingZero0782 posted...
Forest_Temple posted...
It wasn't an in thing then. And Zelda 1 is literally the only game in the series besides BOTW thats open world. Edit: ALBW is kinda open world too I guess
What a load of bulls*** and you know it, open world games as they are now didn't start until last gen and are a lot more used this gen.
Huh???

I assume that was directed at me.

And what do you mean "as they are"? Do you mean having a large world that can be explored from the getgo with few to no roadblocks? Because the original Legend of Zelda was just that, and it was inspired by several other games released before it.

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WingZero0782 3 hours ago#17

Forest_Temple posted...

Huh???

Sorry Forest, I replied to the wrong person.

The MGS series wasn't open world until MGSV, Final Fantasy XV is one giant open world map compared to previous games in the series, the same can be said about Assassin's Creed.

Sure we may have had GTA but they were called sandbox games and have always been this way.

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WingZero0782 3 hours ago#18

Thrasher7170 posted...

I assume that was directed at me.And what do you mean "as they are"? Do you mean having a large world that can be explored from the getgo with few to no roadblocks? Because the original Legend of Zelda was just that, and it was inspired by several other games released before it.

Yes, you, I got you confused with Forest.

BOTW uses a lot of the same tropes as other open world games, a bland giant open field, towers to reveal map icons, lame side quests, little to no story.

The only exception imo is Horizon Zero Dawn, the better open world game that released around the same time as BOTW.

Sandbox/Open World games is not a new concept, it's just in this day and age everyone is following the bandwagon, the same with Battle Royale games.

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Thrasher7170 2 hours ago#19

WingZero0782 posted...

Thrasher7170 posted...
I assume that was directed at me.And what do you mean "as they are"? Do you mean having a large world that can be explored from the getgo with few to no roadblocks? Because the original Legend of Zelda was just that, and it was inspired by several other games released before it.
No, Forest.BOTW uses a lot of the same tropes as other open world games,

Yes, many of which are derived from, you guessed it, the original Legend of Zelda.

a bland giant open field,

No, and the fact that you say this shows that you either have little to no experience with open world games or played Minecraft and thought that was representative of the genre.

towers to reveal map icons,

Uh... towers don't reveal map icons. They fill in the map, yes, but you actually have to go out and find the stuff.

lame side quests,

You mean Zelda sidequests (for real, I don't know why people act like Zelda has had amazing sidequests up until now).

little to no story.

1) BotW does not have "little to no story."

2) Most open world games do not have "little to no story"

The only exception imo is Horizon Zero Dawn, the better open world game that released around the same time as BOTW.Sandbox/Open World games is not a new concept, it's just in this day and age everyone is following the bandwagon, the same with Battle Royale games.

The, let's call it, open world fad has literally been a thing since, at the latest, the early 2000s.

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WingZero0782 2 hours ago#20

Thrasher7170 posted...

Yes, many of which are derived from, you guessed it, the original Legend of Zelda.No, and the fact that you say this shows that you either have little to no experience with open world games or played Minecraft and thought that was representative of the genre.Uh... towers don't reveal map icons. They fill in the map, yes, but you actually have to go out and find the stuff. You mean Zelda sidequests (for real, I don't know why people act like Zelda has had amazing sidequests up until now).1) BotW does not have "little to no story."2) Most open world games do not have "little to no story"The, let's call it, open world fad has literally been a thing since, at the latest, the early 2000s.

I've played pretty much every Open World game out.

Some have little to no story, case in point, MGSV and BOTW (the former has less story than previous games in the series and is unfinished).

Yes Towers reveal more of the map but also icons in some games.

I found the original LoZ boring and have never finished it, BOTW may have copied the formula set out by that game but it removed some things.

The fad is a lot bigger this gen than it was any other.

The only other sandbox/open world games we got were mostly GTA knock offs and Far Cry (which Unisoft is turning their other franchises into).

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Atreides27 2 hours ago#21

This is coming down to the argument of Open World Design vs Actual Open World.

Open world design lets the player go wherever they like from the start of the game, even if there are some blockades. This would be LoZ.

Actual open world is when the overworld is one large map with minimal loading to other areas or zones. This is BotW, and what wingnut is incorrectly calling a "fad."

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WingZero0782 2 hours ago#22

I'm not incorrectly calling it a fad, it is a fad in this day and age, along with BR games.

Also stop insulting other posters just because you disagree with them.

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Atreides27 2 hours ago#23

WingZero0782 posted...

I'm not incorrectly calling it a fad, it is a fad in this day and age, along with BR games.Also stop insulting other posters just because you disagree with them.

Do you mean VR games?

You are incorrectly calling it a fad. That's like saying 4K displays are a fad. Actual open world games have essentially been what gaming has been striving for. The technology is allowing developers to create worlds that don't have be zoned off from each other due to better processing, higher storage capabilities, and better implemented loading schemes. Why do you think we are seeing so many open world games? It's not because it's a fad, it's because the technology is finally at a point where developers can make them.

Question: Do you think there will be less open world games in the future?

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CarbonButtflap 2 hours ago#24

WingZero0782 posted...

I'm not incorrectly calling it a fad, it is a fad in this day and age, along with BR games.Also stop insulting other posters just because you disagree with them.

Video Games are a fad.

Your move, Watson

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WingZero0782 1 hour ago#25

Atreides27 posted...

Do you mean VR games? You are incorrectly calling it a fad. That's like saying 4K displays are a fad. Actual open world games have essentially been what gaming has been striving for. The technology is allowing developers to create worlds that don't have be zoned off from each other due to better processing, higher storage capabilities, and better implemented loading schemes. Why do you think we are seeing so many open world games? It's not because it's a fad, it's because the technology is finally at a point where developers can make them. Question: Do you think there will be less open world games in the future?

I don't care about VR games, I can't play them due to health reasons.

No there will be more.

It depends on what Open World games you're talking about, I'm not against them and have likely played them all, it's just some of them are copy/pasted.

What's your take on Battle Royale games, would you like more of them?

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WingZero0782 1 hour ago#26

There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.

Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).

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ZBug_ 1 hour ago#27

Astylez posted...

so now for true fans the series is dead.

True fans know that Zelda is more than just OoT done over and over.

There’s around 10 ish or so games that weren’t trying to copy OoT, unlike TWW, and TP.

BotW is much more like a 3D version of the 2D gameplay, than OoT ever was.

So no Zelda isn’t dead to anyone except people who grew up on N64.

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nurlen 1 hour ago#28

WingZero0782 posted...

There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).

The best open world Zelda is OoS

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Thrasher7170 1 hour ago#29

nurlen posted...

WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS

No, it's definitely Four Swords.

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nurlen 1 hour ago#30

Thrasher7170 posted...

nurlen posted...
WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS
No, it's definitely Four Swords.

Oh f***

I always forget about that one

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protobakurion 1 hour ago#31

Thrasher7170 posted...

It’s always a shame when older accounts turn to trolling.....

It's pretty damn common nowadays. Pathetic and sad. You'd think they would be mature enough.

Timinatron posted...

People have been crying the same sob story since launch. So no, you aren’t special.

I laughed at this more than I should have. All i hear is the sound of babies crying when I hear the same sob story.

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Atreides27 1 hour ago#32

WingZero0782 posted...

Atreides27 posted...
Do you mean VR games? You are incorrectly calling it a fad. That's like saying 4K displays are a fad. Actual open world games have essentially been what gaming has been striving for. The technology is allowing developers to create worlds that don't have be zoned off from each other due to better processing, higher storage capabilities, and better implemented loading schemes. Why do you think we are seeing so many open world games? It's not because it's a fad, it's because the technology is finally at a point where developers can make them. Question: Do you think there will be less open world games in the future?
I don't care about VR games, I can't play them due to health reasons.No there will be more.It depends on what Open World games you're talking about, I'm not against them and have likely played them all, it's just some of them are copy/pasted.What's your take on Battle Royale games, would you like more of them?

Yes, some open world games are copy/pasted. I don't think BotW was at all though, it really cuts its own path in the genre.

So if there are more open world games to come, does that make it a fad? Fads come into popularity and then cool off, eventually disappearing. Since there will be more open world games, doesn't that make is a genre? Because it's a genre. Not a fad.

I think Battle Royale games are really cool. I personally don't play them, but I certainly see the appeal. Even cooler, in the future we could have even more synchronous connections in shooters and the like. I mean, sure MMORPG's have created world for tons of people to connect, but the net code for those are much easier to handle than in games like Fortnite.

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Atreides27 1 hour ago#33

Thrasher7170 posted...

nurlen posted...
WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS
No, it's definitely Four Swords.

ay what about AoL??

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nurlen 1 hour ago#34

Atreides27 posted...

Thrasher7170 posted...
nurlen posted...
WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS
No, it's definitely Four Swords.
ay what about AoL??

Hardly open world...

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timber_jack 1 hour ago#35

Shoot... I think that BotW is more akin to what Zelda should be than any Zelda since the first game. All they need is more dungeons and BOOM!!! Perfect Zelda game! I’m not a fan of the Adventure on rails playstyle that the franchise has become known for. It’s still a really great series but around TP it just got stale for me. I loved Link Between Worlds and WW but PLEASE make BotW the new standard but add more items and dungeons.

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Thrasher7170 1 hour ago#36

nurlen posted...

Atreides27 posted...
Thrasher7170 posted...
nurlen posted...
WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS
No, it's definitely Four Swords.
ay what about AoL??
Hardly open world...

Gosh Atreides. It's like you don't even know what open world means.

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WingZero0782 1 hour ago#37

timber_jack posted...

Shoot... I think that BotW is more akin to what Zelda should be than any Zelda since the first game. All they need is more dungeons and BOOM!!! Perfect Zelda game! I’m not a fan of the Adventure on rails playstyle that the franchise has become known for. It’s still a really great series but around TP it just got stale for me. I loved Link Between Worlds and WW but PLEASE make BotW the new standard but add more items and dungeons.

That's one of my only issues with BOTW, the lack of traditional dungeons and items.

Granted the story and bosses could've been better also.

Also I couldn't care less if they make more like BOTW as long as we get more like ALBW and LA Remake.

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WingZero0782 1 hour ago#38

Atreides27 posted...

Yes, some open world games are copy/pasted. I don't think BotW was at all though, it really cuts its own path in the genre.So if there are more open world games to come, does that make it a fad? Fads come into popularity and then cool off, eventually disappearing. Since there will be more open world games, doesn't that make is a genre? Because it's a genre. Not a fad.I think Battle Royale games are really cool. I personally don't play them, but I certainly see the appeal. Even cooler, in the future we could have even more synchronous connections in shooters and the like. I mean, sure MMORPG's have created world for tons of people to connect, but the net code for those are much easier to handle than in games like Fortnite.

Atreides27 posted...

Ok fair enough, it's a genre everyone wants to get into and now it seems it'll be the norm for Ubisoft going forward.

The only thing I hate that Ubisoft is doing is the RPG levelling system they introduced to AC and FC.

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Atreides27 1 hour ago#39

Thrasher7170 posted...

nurlen posted...
Atreides27 posted...
Thrasher7170 posted...
nurlen posted...
WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS
No, it's definitely Four Swords.
ay what about AoL??
Hardly open world...
Gosh Atreides. It's like you don't even know what open world means.

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MasterDarken 1 hour ago#40

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nurlen 1 hour ago#41

Atreides27 posted...

Thrasher7170 posted...
nurlen posted...
Atreides27 posted...
Thrasher7170 posted...
nurlen posted...
WingZero0782 posted...
There's also Open World games like OoT, WW and TP Vs BOTW.Imo the previous one's did it better but obviously BOTW is graphically better (for now).
The best open world Zelda is OoS
No, it's definitely Four Swords.
ay what about AoL??
Hardly open world...
Gosh Atreides. It's like you don't even know what open world means.
I wanna do the copy pasta of the Navy Seal here but I'll just get modded.

Worth it.

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smitacus 1 hour ago#42

How is this different than when Zelda changed from top down 2D to over the shoulder 3D?

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Atreides27 1 hour ago#43

smitacus posted...

How is this different than when Zelda changed from top down 2D to over the shoulder 3D?

Well REAL FANS know that was when Zelda REALLY was dead. All these fake fans needing Z-Targeting to fight.

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timber_jack 1 hour ago#44

Atreides27 posted...

smitacus posted...
How is this different than when Zelda changed from top down 2D to over the shoulder 3D?
Well REAL FANS know that was when Zelda REALLY was dead. All these fake fans needing Z-Targeting to fight.

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panforis 1 hour ago#45

timber_jack posted...

Shoot... I think that BotW is more akin to what Zelda should be than any Zelda since the first game. All they need is more dungeons and BOOM!!! Perfect Zelda game! I’m not a fan of the Adventure on rails playstyle that the franchise has become known for. It’s still a really great series but around TP it just got stale for me. I loved Link Between Worlds and WW but PLEASE make BotW the new standard but add more items and dungeons.

Put a bit more to do in some areas of the map and, and this may get atk'd again for the umpteenth time, change the weapon system as the way they did breakable weapons is ridiculous in the first game and the game would be great. At the very least make weapons repairable at blacksmiths in towns for rupees. I hated this weapon system in Fragile dreams for the Wii and I think it detracts from a Zelda game even more. If you made the next game with a system like this you would still have to be careful and manage your weapons, but also would not have to worry about losing a weapon you spent an hour getting or making and one of a kind weapons would also not have to be worried about too.(areas are big enough and dungeons far enough away and long enough that weapons would still have the uniqueness that they wanted in the first game, but also not sour ppl from using some for fear of losing them to much. If MmoRPG's could do it then why cant Zelda use a similar system.)

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Sir_Specter 47 minutes ago#47

I think it's too soon to call it. BotW 2 might be a real finished video game and not a glorified tech demo. There's a reason it was announced so soon after the first one.

BotW had a long development cycle that spanned the life of the Wii U and had to get ported to the Switch. They had a tough time creating the engine for it, considering Nintendo had never done that before, and then they had to optimize it for use on two different consoles that both support two different modes of play. They had to cut the cord at some point and release whatever they had.

They got lucky that a lot of kids and others who had never played a decent open world game before ate it up despite being blatantly empty and unfinished. But now all of the architecture is there and this development cycle can focus on actually adding meaningful content to the world instead of having a big empty boring countryside dotted with the same 3 enemies guarding the same 4 reskinned weapons that will last about 30 minutes, and lame shrines with the same tile sets, similar basic puzzles, and the same rewards scattered all over.

I'm cautiously optimistic about it. If they add dungeons, enemy variety, reasons to explore,and some kind of meaningful progression, it could be fun.

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IvaliceBorn 46 minutes ago#48

Agreed TC. Agreed =(

The only way i was able to play this game was with infinite durability/stamina. I loved the game after that. Didn't even power up the master sword by doing the trials. Had to use the guide for all divine beast dungeons except the flying one because the designs were just so stupid. Looking forward to doing the same s*** when botw 2 comes out. If they wanted to change up from the original formula all they had to do was hyrule warriors with an overworld map and dungeons. That's it......

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Thrasher7170 44 minutes ago#49

Sir_Specter posted...

I think it's too soon to call it. BotW 2 might be a real finished video game and not a glorified tech demo. There's a reason it was announced so soon after the first one. BotW had a long development cycle that spanned the life of the Wii U and had to get ported to the Switch. They had a tough time creating the engine for it, considering Nintendo had never done that before, and then they had to optimize it for use on two different consoles that both support two different modes of play. They had to cut the cord at some point and release whatever they had.They got lucky that a lot of kids and others who had never played a decent open world game before ate it up despite being blatantly empty and unfinished. But now all of the architecture is there and this development cycle can focus on actually adding meaningful content to the world instead of having a big empty boring countryside dotted with the same 3 enemies guarding the same 4 reskinned weapons that will last about 30 minutes, and lame shrines with the same tile sets, similar basic puzzles, and the same rewards scattered all over.I'm cautiously optimistic about it. If they add dungeons, enemy variety, reasons to explore,and some kind of meaningful progression, it could be fun.

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manta53 42 minutes ago#50

Astylez posted...

Everyone ate up BotW, despite the fact it is nothing like the old games, had a s***ty weapon system, an “open world” that was a slog to move around in... so now for true fans the series is dead. Nintendo is gonna stick to this new formula and probably pull even further away from what Zelda is.Now we just have ports/remasters of old titles to wait on if we want to scratch that Zelda itch. Bash me bros, but someone had to say it.

100% agree having grown up with Legend of Zelda for NES. BoftW doesnt feel like Zelda to me.

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snake_5036 31 minutes ago#51

Astylez posted...

so now for true fans the series is dead.

You have nearly 3 decades of the same predictable formulas to play if you hate BotW's direction. Go kill a boss in three cycles again after you hit the eye with the dungeon item. Go get that Master Sword after three introductory dungeons that are a waste of time. Play tennis with the penultimate/ultimate boss. Let the rest of us be happy that the series has some fresh air breathed into it.

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ClimhazzardZero 27 minutes ago#52

The whiny minority still crying about BotW's success, I see. Such a shame these wannabe 'true Zelda fans' can't accept change now when the series has been going through changes since its birth. Sounds like they're the real 'fake' fans.

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BSkullClad 22 minutes ago#53

Sir_Specter posted...

I think it's too soon to call it. BotW 2 might be a real finished video game and not a glorified tech demo. There's a reason it was announced so soon after the first one. BotW had a long development cycle that spanned the life of the Wii U and had to get ported to the Switch. They had a tough time creating the engine for it, considering Nintendo had never done that before, and then they had to optimize it for use on two different consoles that both support two different modes of play. They had to cut the cord at some point and release whatever they had.They got lucky that a lot of kids and others who had never played a decent open world game before ate it up despite being blatantly empty and unfinished. But now all of the architecture is there and this development cycle can focus on actually adding meaningful content to the world instead of having a big empty boring countryside dotted with the same 3 enemies guarding the same 4 reskinned weapons that will last about 30 minutes, and lame shrines with the same tile sets, similar basic puzzles, and the same rewards scattered all over.I'm cautiously optimistic about it. If they add dungeons, enemy variety, reasons to explore,and some kind of meaningful progression, it could be fun.

s***tier words were never said. Salty much about BotW smashing success?

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Bertiekins 20 minutes ago#54

My only real complaint about botw is that the dungeons weren't dungeons.

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Razum 19 minutes ago#55

Can you define true fans? Cause the change in zelda games from 2d to 3d was pretty big too. Are those that only like the 2d games the truest zelda fans?

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SuperWiiCube64 19 minutes ago#56

So you’re going to claim the series is dead just because of Breath of the Wild and it’s upcoming sequel we know next to nothing about?

Yeah, that’s a smart idea.

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Paratech2018 17 minutes ago#57

The Switch Mario Bros games aren't the same as the NES Mario games, nor were the Wii, the N64. Heck Mario 64 was 1 of few good games at launch and it broke open new territory.

Do we want the same game forever?

I love playing the New Super Mario Bros DS/3DS sequel on my 3DS, wish they were on the Switch. I have the Wii Super Mario All Stars and the games on my 3DS.

It took me a while but I beat Mario Galaxy and between getting frustrated with the game and taking breaks from it I finished it and want to finish the sequel.

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CarbonButtflap 16 minutes ago#58

Razum posted...

Can you define true fans? Cause the change in zelda games from 2d to 3d was pretty big too. Are those that only like the 2d games the truest zelda fans?

The only true Zelda fans think adventure of Link was the pinnacle of the series, clearly

If it ain't a 2d platformer it ain't a Zelda

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my dudes, Zelda is too big to die. Zelda has always been an adventure, whatever it takes to make it an adventure game makes it a Zelda. every single poster here has a different idea of what makes Zelda Zelda to them. Hell I would go gaga over Zelda the turn-based RPG, a la super Mario RPG. Can you imagine if link, Zelda and ganondorf all join forces to save Princess Whatsherf***it from the evil Superbadguy? we could actually see the Triforce fully together and used in combat for the first time

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